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they can to avoid being culpable but they have to abide by the law. if there's a warrant, they have to go along with it. >> there are issues in which the fisa courts have given orders to peek into google and yahoo!, but even more deeply is this question about are they culpable. they have been given a set of locks, right, that may or may not work. we were under the impression these things worked, that the encryption worked. if the nsa can figure out something, that's one thing, and i think we could understand that the nsa whether it's doing the right thing or the wrong thing at heart has our best interests in mind whether they're doing it directly or not. if the nsa can do it in 2013, almost 2014, could the chinese do it in two years and could the north koreans do it in ten? in other words, if something is flawed from the beginning and only the nsa can peek into it, that's still a problem. >> it is potentially a problem. in fact, we pointed this out back in the mid '70s with the data encryption standard. there it had 100,000 million million keys which sounds like a lot, but i and my collea
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